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CryoFall => Game discussion => Topic started by: Tchey on July 11, 2017, 03:33:45 am

Title: Linux
Post by: Tchey on July 11, 2017, 03:33:45 am

I know you will do Linux at release like you said, and did, for you previous game, and it's great. Somehow sad not to be able to be part of the testing phases, but it's not a big deal, if Linux is well commited then.

I open this only to gather the players who would play it on Linux.

What's your systems ?

My system (from 2015, no hardware upgrad since) :

I use PlayOnLinux/WINE to play a few Windows games, but the vaste majority of them are Linux-friendly.

Linux Mint 18.2 64bits Xfce
Intel Core i5 4590 (4 x 3,3 GHz)
MSI GeForce GTX 960 @ 2 Go
Drivers NVIDIA 375
8 Go DIMM DDR3 PC12800
Screen 16/9 24" LED 1920x1080
Keyboard b├ępo (dvorak fr) / Mouse Logitech MX518
Joystick Logitech T16000 / Gamepad XboxOne USB

Title: Re: Linux
Post by: ai_enabled on July 11, 2017, 04:54:04 am

I'm not sure if we promised support for Linux at the release time - I cannot find any mention of it. But right, we would like to provide support for Linux as soon as possible.

There are multiple problems this time. First, we're a smaller team now (only one programmer, actually). Secondly, we've changed our client engine of choice to MonoGame (well, actually it's a in-house tech - Renkei engine - built on top of MonoGame, and we could switch MonoGame to something else if feels necessary to do so). MonoGame itself is cross-platform, but we decided to use DirectX for Windows as the easiest way to develop our game, so adding OpenGL support (as required for Linux) will take a considerable effort. Ideally, we would like to switch on Vulkan - it's a modern cross-platform library, but it's not supported well enough yet (I mean drivers, C# wrappers, cross-platform shader compilers).

Thirdly, we lifted the bar of modding capabilities of the game by providing completely open source gameplay assets and code. It means all the assets are come with the game (Core.cpk) in their raw form (no pre-cooked texture atlases, no custom file formats) and baked into the required format by the game engine itself when needed (with caches for faster loading next time). It also allows the game to listen to the file system changes and hot-reload changed files (all of file formats are already supported). It means that we're shipping the C# (.cs) and shader (.fx) code compilers together with the game. The bad news is that currently MGFX (MonoGame FX shader compiler) is working with two different formats for shaders - one uses HLSL and another GLSL (for DirectX and OpenGL, respectively). It means there is no single compiler which will work with .FX files supplied currently with the game on both Windows and Linux. Duplicating shaders on both shader languages is something we need to avoid at any cost (it will complicate development and modding), so we have only a few options - wait until MonoGame team implement support for HLSL shaders compilation on non-Windows platforms or switch to Vulkan, rewrite our current shaders and use the Vulkan shader compiler (which is cross-platform). The MonoGame team also have plans for adding Vulkan support to MonoGame so maybe this is a way to go.

The good news is that Microsoft will ship .NET Core 2.0 very soon which is an absolutely amazing re-implementation of .NET Framework - with better performance, completely open source and cross-platform. In theory, it might allow us to make a single build of the game which will run everywhere (if we include .NET Core runtime with the game for all the OSes we're going to support). And it's much faster and more stable than Mono, with the best ever support from Microsoft and community.

Also, NoesisGUI much improved over last years so we can expect great stability and performance this time (with VoidExpanse it was very rough for a few months after release).

Title: Re: Linux
Post by: Tchey on January 27, 2018, 12:27:48 pm
With the soft-launch coming soon, i still hope to see a Linux version.

Not to push you, only to say hi !
Title: Re: Linux
Post by: Lurler on January 28, 2018, 09:25:35 pm
As we mentioned it before, unfortunately we cannot support Linux and Mac from the very start. Support for those systems will come later, when the base game stabilizes (around beta).
The reason for that is simple - this way we won't have to battle with each version to add support for those systems and instead focus all of our energy towards developing the game.

We really wish we could offer support for other systems sooner, but the reality is much more harsh... it takes a lot of time and effort to make each patch fully compatible with all OS-es, and frankly we just don't have enough resources and manpower to justify it currently.

But again, good news is - we will be able to focus entirely on the actual game and it will make it possible to reach beta much sooner, and then add Linux and Mac support!
It is still our priority in the long run! All of our games fully and natively support Linux and we want to keep it that way! :)
Title: Re: Linux
Post by: Tchey on January 29, 2018, 03:52:15 am
All of our games fully and natively support Linux and we want to keep it that way! :)

Yep, and thanks.

The forum are quiet these days, so i just wanted to jump in and spash the silence somehow.

Title: Re: Linux
Post by: Lurler on January 29, 2018, 04:05:46 am
The forum are quiet these days, so i just wanted to jump in and spash the silence somehow.
That is true, but not for long! :)
I'm sure there will be plenty of activity once we launch the game!
We will be sending out e-mails to people to participate in this soft-launch. Especially considering that the game will be free during this initial period.
Title: Re: Linux
Post by: Tchey on March 08, 2018, 11:08:55 am

I tested the Open Alpha on WINE and PlayOnLinux, and failed.

So, unless someone managed to run it, and is willing to explain how, only option is to wait for a Linux version, "if".

Have fun anyway !
Title: Re: Linux
Post by: ai_enabled on March 08, 2018, 11:57:57 am
Tchey, yes, we're using a huge amount of new techs/libraries which are not ported and not emulated yet. The only way is to wait for our official Linux version.
Title: Re: Linux
Post by: Tchey on May 09, 2018, 11:32:51 am
Not much to say, but i wanted to say that i'm still lurking.

/em lurks
Title: Re: Linux
Post by: Tchey on October 11, 2018, 04:34:43 am
Well, i'm still around, niark niark niark niark...
Title: Re: Linux
Post by: ai_enabled on October 11, 2018, 04:36:52 am
No updates regarding Linux yet.